I'm a soft washer....period. I am however open minded. In other words, I know a pressure washer can clean "softly" if done from a distance.
I would prefer to not use a noisy machine but at the end of the day it's about safety and productivity. For roof cleaning and house washing what do you use to reach the highest/furthest?
If you can elaborate here, or PM me, on the type of pump, hose, tips, poles or whatever you use.
I use the Fat Boy and I also use a booster pump. I don't like the booster pump for roof cleaning simply because it puts out too much sauce....even when tipped down.
We shoot from the ground and ladder....rarely from the roof.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Doug,..what are you asking about,..roofs or houses? A pressure washer cannot be used for roof cleaning,..you cannot get the mix strong enough. If you are asking about house washing,..then DS'ing with a washer is the best way. One hose and very simple overall.
* Honestly,.this whole soft washing thing got out of control a few years ago,..Doug,..there's nothing wrong with an engine running on a job site. Customers are interested in results,..not a quiet job. I remember guys years ago on various forums saying if you used a ladder you weren't professional. Seriously,..this is work,..not retirement.
I have never,..in 20 years had a customer or their neighbor ask why I was running an engine,..that's what work is. I run a compressor for the roof pump,.. and my pressure washer for rinsing the surroundings,..it sounds like a work site,.not a big deal,..unless it's 3 AM.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:00:23 PM
waxman18324 said
Mar 1, 2016
Wait Jeff I am retired.
Hank
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Hank,.that's fine,..but retired types aren't the standard,..and if you want to be retired,..then stay home. I'm talking about the work itself,..and what is acceptable work practice.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 04:57:28 PM
Fred W said
Mar 1, 2016
Jeff, I am a soft washer....by choice because I feel soft washing is superior. I have zero desire to listen to that noisy machine either.....and I am referring to both.
Mostly I would like to know who gets further up the roof. We all talk about our wands and poles but who really gets the best distance and with what? I reach 35' - 40' or so with my 12V but that is on the ground with little angle. Climb a ladder and shooting upward on a 10/12 the reach is shorter.
Liberty SoftWash said
Mar 1, 2016
50 to 60 feet using the udor.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Doug,..DS'ing is soft washing. But it simply comes down to what we each prefer,..Do you attempt concrete with soft washing pumps?
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:11:57 PM
Fred W said
Mar 1, 2016
Roof Cleaning PA wrote:
50 to 60 feet using the udor.
Thanks Eric
Fred W said
Mar 1, 2016
Jeff Wible wrote:
Do you attempt concrete with soft washing pumps?
Jeff
No....I succeed at it.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Well Doug,..you got it "cleanER,..you can't clean concrete thoroughly with a roof pump,..you need PSI. You may have done it,..but not efficiently. Ask anyone who cleans concrete,..for real. They use washers and if needed for fast coverage,.. they use surface cleaners. No argument here,.so I will stop now.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:22:38 PM
Art O said
Mar 1, 2016
Jeff Wible wrote:
Well Doug,..you got it "cleanER,..you can't clean concrete thoroughly with a roof pump,..you need PSI. You may have done it,..but not efficiently. Ask anyone who cleans concrete,..for real. They use washers and if needed for fast coberage,.. surface cleaners. No argument here,.so I will stop now.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:20:55 PM
Jeff don't STOP, this is interesting
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Hey Art,..no I'm done,..Ha,Ha,.. Watch this thread,..and I'll show you,..Ha,Ha
Jeff
waxman18324 said
Mar 1, 2016
Jeff Wible wrote:
Hank,.that's fine,..but retired types aren't the standard,..and if you want to be retired,..then stay home. I'm talking about the work itself,..and what is acceptable work practice.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 04:57:28 PM
Jeff,
I was only joking. Soon to be 56 and I can more than keep up with the younger generation. Please continue your posts as I have the ultimate respect for you.
Hank
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
Thanks Hank,..I knew where you were at with your comment,.not a big deal. And I enjoy your posts as well.
Jeff
waxman18324 said
Mar 1, 2016
We use a 12volt(5850) for roofs. For house washing we use our 5.5 gpm machine. For hard surface cleaning we only use our surface cleaners. We do some commercial hard surface cleaning work(Dunkin Donuts, strip malls and gas stations/convenience stores, etc) up here with both hot/cold water pressure washers with our surface cleaners and the right detergents.
For the record though I did a 96 unit time share house washing project in 2015 where I had two pw going and a roof pump.
Hank
Jeff Wible said
Mar 1, 2016
I've been considering 12V for roofs Hank,..simply to trim some fat,...but not sure yet what I will do.
Jeff
Diamond Roof Cleaning said
Mar 1, 2016
This is how you clean concrete. Then throw a lite sh mix on top to keep it looking cleaner longer.
Patrick G said
Mar 1, 2016
Nice Mike.
Diamond Roof Cleaning said
Mar 1, 2016
Thanks pat.
SprayWash said
Mar 2, 2016
Baton Rouge Roof Cleaner wrote:
Jeff Wible wrote:
Do you attempt concrete with soft washing pumps?
Jeff
No....I succeed at it.
BOOM!!
SprayWash said
Mar 2, 2016
Doug I routinely get 40 to 50 for my Udor, but I honestly just don't like the thing very much. Even with the awesome valve system Paul made it's clunky and difficult to use. The proportioner is so much easier. Pretty sure I will retrofit my water dragon this year to include a booster pump and proportioner, and then only use the indoor as a rinse pump.
I was down streaming at agent clean University last week plus trying out an XJEt. They were routinely hitting 40 to 50 foot with their PW equipment, and able to spray a 10% mixture, but there was not a lot of knockdown power for wasp nest dirt Dobbers cobwebs etc. at that distance...you know, the stuff we routinely get on every house down here in the Deep South.
I've added downstreaming and X jetting to my arsenal, but still love my booster pump more than all other devices.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 2, 2016
Deleted my question to Mike. I made a separate thread for this information.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Wednesday 2nd of March 2016 07:12:03 AM
Liberty SoftWash said
Mar 2, 2016
Some put a 90 on top of swivel to help with lifting.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 2, 2016
Hey Eric,..yea I did that,...I actually did it because I didn't like that big loop of hose sticking out. Anyhow,..didn't seem to help with the lifting.
Thanks Though,
Jeff
Fred W said
Mar 2, 2016
SprayWash wrote:
Baton Rouge Roof Cleaner wrote:
Jeff Wible wrote:
Do you attempt concrete with soft washing pumps?
Jeff
No....I succeed at it.
BOOM!!
:}
SprayWash wrote:
Doug I routinely get 40 to 50 for my Udor, but I honestly just don't like the thing very much. Even with the awesome valve system Paul made it's clunky and difficult to use. The proportioner is so much easier. Pretty sure I will retrofit my water dragon this year to include a booster pump and proportioner, and then only use the indoor as a rinse pump.
I was down streaming at agent clean University last week plus trying out an XJEt. They were routinely hitting 40 to 50 foot with their PW equipment, and able to spray a 10% mixture, but there was not a lot of knockdown power for wasp nest dirt Dobbers cobwebs etc. at that distance...you know, the stuff we routinely get on every house down here in the Deep South.
I've added downstreaming and X jetting to my arsenal, but still love my booster pump more than all other devices.
Glad you told me. The last I heard your guys loved the udor. I adore my booster pump as well and it will always be a part of my systems.
My ProPortioners work awesome with my booster but having an issue with my 12V which I hope to see resolved by this weekend. Plus adding the tips to the end of the booster (Tim's idea) has been a great help. I get an extra few feet with my zero tips and use an extension pole for the wasp nests.
I won't be adding the pressure washer into my house wash. My RBP pump gets me where I need to be for that......just rethinking distance shots for the roof and if I can get this whole ProPortioner system going.....watch out!
DirtyRoofcom said
Mar 2, 2016
So the shooter tips don't do anything for 12v softwashing systems, as far as distance is concerned?
Fred W said
Mar 2, 2016
Correct. I got nothing extra from using the shooter tip.......nothing.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 2, 2016
Baton Rouge Roof Cleaner wrote:
Correct. I got nothing extra from using the shooter tip.......nothing.
Doug, do these shooter nozzles clean the stream up at all? You know,..make a nicer "cylindrical" or direct pattern.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Wednesday 2nd of March 2016 07:04:05 AM
Fred W said
Mar 2, 2016
I really got nothing out of the tip that I wasn't already getting from a standard zero tip. I mean the stream may have been slightly better but not by much.
To be fair I only tried one which was the .30. I chose that tip based on the website info on the GPM flow of my pump.
Jeff Wible said
Mar 2, 2016
Yea, my regular 0's shoot fine,..was just wondering ,..Never wanted to spend the money on the shooter nozzles.
I'm a soft washer....period. I am however open minded. In other words, I know a pressure washer can clean "softly" if done from a distance.
I would prefer to not use a noisy machine but at the end of the day it's about safety and productivity. For roof cleaning and house washing what do you use to reach the highest/furthest?
If you can elaborate here, or PM me, on the type of pump, hose, tips, poles or whatever you use.
I use the Fat Boy and I also use a booster pump. I don't like the booster pump for roof cleaning simply because it puts out too much sauce....even when tipped down.
We shoot from the ground and ladder....rarely from the roof.
Doug,..what are you asking about,..roofs or houses? A pressure washer cannot be used for roof cleaning,..you cannot get the mix strong enough. If you are asking about house washing,..then DS'ing with a washer is the best way. One hose and very simple overall.
* Honestly,.this whole soft washing thing got out of control a few years ago,..Doug,..there's nothing wrong with an engine running on a job site. Customers are interested in results,..not a quiet job. I remember guys years ago on various forums saying if you used a ladder you weren't professional. Seriously,..this is work,..not retirement.
I have never,..in 20 years had a customer or their neighbor ask why I was running an engine,..that's what work is. I run a compressor for the roof pump,.. and my pressure washer for rinsing the surroundings,..it sounds like a work site,.not a big deal,..unless it's 3 AM.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:00:23 PM
Hank
Hank,.that's fine,..but retired types aren't the standard,..and if you want to be retired,..then stay home. I'm talking about the work itself,..and what is acceptable work practice.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 04:57:28 PM
Mostly I would like to know who gets further up the roof. We all talk about our wands and poles but who really gets the best distance and with what? I reach 35' - 40' or so with my 12V but that is on the ground with little angle. Climb a ladder and shooting upward on a 10/12 the reach is shorter.
Doug,..DS'ing is soft washing. But it simply comes down to what we each prefer,..Do you attempt concrete with soft washing pumps?
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:11:57 PM
Thanks Eric
No....I succeed at it.
Well Doug,..you got it "cleanER,..you can't clean concrete thoroughly with a roof pump,..you need PSI. You may have done it,..but not efficiently. Ask anyone who cleans concrete,..for real. They use washers and if needed for fast coverage,.. they use surface cleaners. No argument here,.so I will stop now.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Tuesday 1st of March 2016 05:22:38 PM
Jeff don't STOP, this is interesting
Jeff
Jeff,
I was only joking. Soon to be 56 and I can more than keep up with the younger generation. Please continue your posts as I have the ultimate respect for you.
Hank
Jeff
We use a 12volt(5850) for roofs. For house washing we use our 5.5 gpm machine. For hard surface cleaning we only use our surface cleaners. We do some commercial hard surface cleaning work(Dunkin Donuts, strip malls and gas stations/convenience stores, etc) up here with both hot/cold water pressure washers with our surface cleaners and the right detergents.
For the record though I did a 96 unit time share house washing project in 2015 where I had two pw going and a roof pump.
Hank
Jeff
This is how you clean concrete. Then throw a lite sh mix on top to keep it looking cleaner longer.
BOOM!!
I was down streaming at agent clean University last week plus trying out an XJEt. They were routinely hitting 40 to 50 foot with their PW equipment, and able to spray a 10% mixture, but there was not a lot of knockdown power for wasp nest dirt Dobbers cobwebs etc. at that distance...you know, the stuff we routinely get on every house down here in the Deep South.
I've added downstreaming and X jetting to my arsenal, but still love my booster pump more than all other devices.
Deleted my question to Mike. I made a separate thread for this information.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Wednesday 2nd of March 2016 07:12:03 AM
Thanks Though,
Jeff
Glad you told me. The last I heard your guys loved the udor. I adore my booster pump as well and it will always be a part of my systems.
My ProPortioners work awesome with my booster but having an issue with my 12V which I hope to see resolved by this weekend. Plus adding the tips to the end of the booster (Tim's idea) has been a great help. I get an extra few feet with my zero tips and use an extension pole for the wasp nests.
I won't be adding the pressure washer into my house wash. My RBP pump gets me where I need to be for that......just rethinking distance shots for the roof and if I can get this whole ProPortioner system going.....watch out!
Doug, do these shooter nozzles clean the stream up at all? You know,..make a nicer "cylindrical" or direct pattern.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Wednesday 2nd of March 2016 07:04:05 AM
To be fair I only tried one which was the .30. I chose that tip based on the website info on the GPM flow of my pump.
Jeff