When we first started cleaning roofs, we often thought about what could be done to make accessing a roof safer. Wouldn't it make sense to have a D ring permanently installed on roofs? Not just for roof cleaning but for roof repairs, chimney work, gutter work, etc. It would be so easy to install sometning like this when homes are being built or installed on existing home and it would save lives!
Insurance companies are pushing for roofs to be cleaned or roof repairs to be done, wouldn't having a permanently installed tie off point make sense?
Art O said
Dec 16, 2014
If you where to put a permanently installed tie off on a homeowners roof and charged for it and the next guy came along a used it and it failed. Wouldn't that make your company liable for it?
Liberty SoftWash said
Dec 16, 2014
It would be installed and maintained by the homeowner.
lkendall said
Dec 16, 2014
Art O wrote:
If you where to put a permanently installed tie off on a homeowners roof and charged for it and the next guy came along a used it and it failed. Wouldn't that make your company liable for it?
BINGO!
and I wouldn't attach myself to a d-ring that the homeowner installs/repairs..
Liberty SoftWash said
Dec 16, 2014
When I say homeowner, I mean install by a contractor and maybe every two yrs get it inpested.
Art O said
Dec 16, 2014
That sounds like an easy install, but its not. You would have to crawl in the attic and beef up a rafter or rafters. Maybe sandwitch a rafter with 2x8. Then you need to make sure the bolts catch the wood in the correct spot. I'm not sure I would trust someone else's work hanging off a roof.
Fred W said
Dec 17, 2014
There are several after market systems that can be used today and without much trouble. I have often wondered why our government has not mandated anchors being installed on every new or re-roof job.
Not that I'm for the government telling me what to do but they always stick their nose where it does not belong.
The government is always saying we need to make things safer....."Hey, lets take guns away from honest hardworking Americans so the world will be safer" They spend so much time on things like gun control when a mandate like Eric is suggesting makes way more sense.
I would certainly use one installed by someone else.......I would just be sure to inspect in myself and my intention would be to never use it. In other words.....I would not be using it to hold me up.....just there in case I fall.
BlueRidge said
Dec 19, 2014
Eric, I have thought the same thing many times. So easy to do with new construction and re roof. I'm surprised insurance companies haven't started this one. A lot of the code changes come from insurance companies. It just makes sense!
Dunrite said
Dec 20, 2014
Most things that make sense don't get done
I think Art nails it hwen he asks who is responsible if their is a failure
As a contractor, i wouldn't install one if im going to be potentially involved in some litigation down the road
I mean most likely the onus is on the nest guy who goes up there but im not chancing it
AC Lockyer said
Dec 24, 2014
We are just really pushing the training of cleaning roofs from the,
When we first started cleaning roofs, we often thought about what could be done to make accessing a roof safer. Wouldn't it make sense to have a D ring permanently installed on roofs? Not just for roof cleaning but for roof repairs, chimney work, gutter work, etc. It would be so easy to install sometning like this when homes are being built or installed on existing home and it would save lives!
Insurance companies are pushing for roofs to be cleaned or roof repairs to be done, wouldn't having a permanently installed tie off point make sense?
BINGO!
and I wouldn't attach myself to a d-ring that the homeowner installs/repairs..
There are several after market systems that can be used today and without much trouble. I have often wondered why our government has not mandated anchors being installed on every new or re-roof job.
Not that I'm for the government telling me what to do but they always stick their nose where it does not belong.
The government is always saying we need to make things safer....."Hey, lets take guns away from honest hardworking Americans so the world will be safer" They spend so much time on things like gun control when a mandate like Eric is suggesting makes way more sense.
I would certainly use one installed by someone else.......I would just be sure to inspect in myself and my intention would be to never use it. In other words.....I would not be using it to hold me up.....just there in case I fall.
Eric, I have thought the same thing many times. So easy to do with new construction and re roof. I'm surprised insurance companies haven't started this one. A lot of the code changes come from insurance companies. It just makes sense!
Most things that make sense don't get done
I think Art nails it hwen he asks who is responsible if their is a failure
As a contractor, i wouldn't install one if im going to be potentially involved in some litigation down the road
I mean most likely the onus is on the nest guy who goes up there but im not chancing it
We are just really pushing the training of cleaning roofs from the,
1. Ground.
2. Ladder.
3. Water Fed Pole Gun. (http://www.jracenstein.com/item/150-0951/softwash-waterfed-pole-gun-acme/default.asp?sort=ydjry)
In these cases we have found that @ 95% of the time a roof can be cleaned without getting on the roof.
AC
I really think this is the thought process that should be pushed- the idea to do everything from the ladder/gutterline
weather its with a waterfed pole or not IMO the safest method to clean a roof is from a ladder along the gutterline