From a performance standpoint,.how do these two pumps compare. With proper installation of both being taken into account.
IF,.. you've used both,..which do you prefer. Seems like the 5850 is as popular as the Fat Boy for daily,.. normal use?
I have used the All-Flo for the past several years,..but have considered dropping some weight and gaining some space on my trailer,..and have considered going 12V. BUT,..don't want to give up the performance and reliability of the All-Flo,..which is stout. Anyone have issues with head pressure at 2-3 stories with 5850? Any issues with the pressure switches going bad prematurely?
Who runs an accumulator?
*By the way,..I had the 1/2" Versa-Matic a few years ago,..never again,..piece of junk,..Always leaking,..not even close to the All-Flo pumps.
Thanks,
Jeff
Liberty SoftWash said
Feb 19, 2016
12v suck for everday cleaning.JMHO
Jeff Wible said
Feb 19, 2016
Thanks Eric,..Nice and to the point Ha,Ha,.. Do run your Water Dragon a your main roof pump now?
Jeff
Liberty SoftWash said
Feb 19, 2016
Yes we run a udor as our main soft washing pump. We rinse with a 8gpm pressure washer. We haven't had any problems with the Udor and I really like the size of the machine.... The only problem i have seen is when the pump get started it should be in prime mode, I run mine for 5 mins when setting up.
Jeff Wible said
Feb 19, 2016
Thanks Eric,..I use an 8 GPM washer to DS. I only use the roof pump for roofs. I did put together a 2 GPM 12V hand truck rig last year which I really like,..great for patios and any concrete or flagstone spraying where the roof pump is too much but DS'ing isn't enough percentage. Filled the gap nicely. Was just kicking around the 5850.
Jeff
BlueRidge said
Feb 19, 2016
Jeff, I have not used the 5850 but have used the Fat Boy with great results. I always remove the pressure switch and use a auto solenoid. I tried an accumulator once and found it to be worthless. Bob at PT sets up his Fat Boys at what I feel is way to low pressure and the accumulator is somewhere around that pressure. They need to be close so if you change the pressure you have to change the accumulator as well. They don't last long and the diaphragm is not a replaceable part item. I do not know how long I was using it with a rotted out diaphragm. I have only had one head failure and that was due to Dumb & Dumber who are long gone.
I would love to go to the Udor but that will have to be after adding a proportioner that will get rid of two tanks and free up some space. Then, a major rebuild since I use a box truck. For now, everything is working well for us.
Brett
Jeff Wible said
Feb 19, 2016
Thanks Brett,..what hose length and size are you running with the Fat Boy,..also,..which size nozzles.
Jeff
BlueRidge said
Feb 19, 2016
Jeff Wible wrote:
Thanks Brett,..what hose length and size are you running with the Fat Boy,..also,..which size nozzles.
Jeff
From the tanks 5/8" and from the pump to the real, 5/8". The spray hose is 300' - 1/2" with this gun that seems to last forever. In the three years I've been using them, I have only had one fail. One is set up with 0030 shooter tip, 1530, 2530, 4030 the other is 0040 shooter tip, 1540, 2540, 4040. I have one more with a mix of 50's and 60's that come in handy at times.
Brett
Jeff Wible said
Feb 19, 2016
Good info Brett on the hose and nozzles! Yea,..I use those triggers as well.
Jeff
Dave said
Feb 19, 2016
I run the 5850 and a fatboy. 3/4" feed lines, and 1/2" hose from the pump. The 5850 is not enough for big 2 stories or 3 stories.
Jeff Wible said
Feb 20, 2016
Thanks Dave,..good to know about the 5850.
Jeff
Art O said
Feb 20, 2016
Been using the 5850, but I just switched over to the Fat Boy. I think I like it better
Jeff Wible said
Feb 20, 2016
Thanks for the input Art. Brett mentioned switching the pressure switch for the automotive solenoid,..have you done that? And is the Fatboy pressure switch THAT bad?
The accumulator is like tits on a bull as far as I'm concerned. It's designed to lesson the unavoidable cycling. So instead of your pump burning out at x amount of roofs, it will burn out x + 3 more roofs. Either way you should always have a spare wired up, fitted up and ready to roll. The con is that is can leak, which they alway have wound up doing.
You can never really tell if the thing craps out. I remember when I serviced hot water heating systems you can flick the expansion tank. If it rang it was good. If there was a dull thud then you know the bladder broke and its filled with water. Plus the pressure relief valve would open up. So there was a clear malfunction to not having a properly working expansion tank. With the accumulator you have no idea. Everything seems to work the same. Therefore I say the thing is useless.
Patrick G said
Feb 21, 2016
Maybe next year I will get what Erik has but I have used the 5850 and the fatboy. The 5880 is used 98% of the time....2 story walk ables it is fine, rinse 5 gals after every job. The fatboy may get used once a year but is good to have on the truck for tuff ones or when the 5880 goes. Once i had to go about 300 ' from the tank and up 2 stories and the 5880 couldn't do it....had to plumb the fat boy in line to pump with the 5880 and it worked fine.
Jeff Wible said
Feb 21, 2016
Thanks Guys,..my air system is rigged and ready to go,..and is pretty bulletproof. The ONLY reason I was thinking 12V was to trim some fat so to speak. We shall see.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Sunday 21st of February 2016 05:56:29 AM
BlueRidge said
Feb 21, 2016
Jeff Wible wrote:
Thanks Guys,..my air system is rigged and ready to go,..and is pretty bulletproof. The ONLY reason I was thinking 12V was to trim some fat so to speak. We shall see.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Sunday 21st of February 2016 05:56:29 AM
Here's Barry Landis' wiring for the relay. I like to give people credit where?when it's due
DirtyRoofcom said
Feb 21, 2016
Ive had the 5850 for quite a few years now. ive only gone through 2 pumps in about 5 years. i dont rinse as much as i should but i dont do the volume of work that most of you do. I think the 5850 is a great pump for basic roofs. but when it comes to head rise the results diminish fast. Trying a fatboy this year but a lil hesitant because of the solenoid issue.
Patrick G said
Feb 21, 2016
Erik you will get 100 roofs from the Fatboy without a problem.
Brian C Jackson said
Feb 23, 2016
I have run both the Electric (Fat Boy) and All-flo (3/8). I will not go back to electric because of all the issues electric has. My all-flo will be on its 5 season with very few issues. Now is I had problems with room and I was moving into a smaller truck them electric is the way to go. Maybe all the little issues with electrics have been solved over the last few years but my all-flo is what Im staying with.
Jeff Wible said
Feb 25, 2016
Thanks Brian,..appreciate the input. Didn't you buy one of the Versa-Matics? The one I had had a problematic leaking issue. Maybe it wasn't you that bought it.
From a performance standpoint,.how do these two pumps compare. With proper installation of both being taken into account.
IF,.. you've used both,..which do you prefer. Seems like the 5850 is as popular as the Fat Boy for daily,.. normal use?
I have used the All-Flo for the past several years,..but have considered dropping some weight and gaining some space on my trailer,..and have considered going 12V. BUT,..don't want to give up the performance and reliability of the All-Flo,..which is stout. Anyone have issues with head pressure at 2-3 stories with 5850? Any issues with the pressure switches going bad prematurely?
Who runs an accumulator?
*By the way,..I had the 1/2" Versa-Matic a few years ago,..never again,..piece of junk,..Always leaking,..not even close to the All-Flo pumps.
Thanks,
Jeff
Jeff
Jeff
Jeff, I have not used the 5850 but have used the Fat Boy with great results. I always remove the pressure switch and use a auto solenoid. I tried an accumulator once and found it to be worthless. Bob at PT sets up his Fat Boys at what I feel is way to low pressure and the accumulator is somewhere around that pressure. They need to be close so if you change the pressure you have to change the accumulator as well. They don't last long and the diaphragm is not a replaceable part item. I do not know how long I was using it with a rotted out diaphragm. I have only had one head failure and that was due to Dumb & Dumber who are long gone.
I would love to go to the Udor but that will have to be after adding a proportioner that will get rid of two tanks and free up some space. Then, a major rebuild since I use a box truck. For now, everything is working well for us.
Brett
Jeff
From the tanks 5/8" and from the pump to the real, 5/8". The spray hose is 300' - 1/2" with this gun that seems to last forever. In the three years I've been using them, I have only had one fail. One is set up with 0030 shooter tip, 1530, 2530, 4030 the other is 0040 shooter tip, 1540, 2540, 4040. I have one more with a mix of 50's and 60's that come in handy at times.
Brett
Jeff
Jeff
Jeff
Yes Jeff I switched it over to a plow solenoid. Its a bit noisy but it works. Heres a thread from Bruce on how to hook it up.http://nationalsoftwashalliance.activeboard.com/t59475256/how-to-setup-a-solenoid-to-a-roof-cleaning-pump/
[video=http://youtu.be/FeFbgEsgT9M ]
Jeff
You can never really tell if the thing craps out. I remember when I serviced hot water heating systems you can flick the expansion tank. If it rang it was good. If there was a dull thud then you know the bladder broke and its filled with water. Plus the pressure relief valve would open up. So there was a clear malfunction to not having a properly working expansion tank. With the accumulator you have no idea. Everything seems to work the same. Therefore I say the thing is useless.
Thanks Guys,..my air system is rigged and ready to go,..and is pretty bulletproof. The ONLY reason I was thinking 12V was to trim some fat so to speak. We shall see.
Jeff
-- Edited by Jeff Wible on Sunday 21st of February 2016 05:56:29 AM
Here's Barry Landis' wiring for the relay. I like to give people credit where?when it's due
Jeff