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Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Undercoating or Bedliner update

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Regular Herculiner or Rhino liners don't hold up much more than 12 months to all the chems. I am actually taking one of my trucks to get a liner in the next two weeks. I had a Herculiner a because it was quick and cheap, but it did not do a great job. I researched a little and the best liner for chemicals is one that is polyurea based. i found a shop about 25 minutes from me who does it. It runs around 800 bucks for a pickup bed, tailgate and bumper.

Diamond Roof Cleaning · Approved Exterior Cleaner

John where is this shop located?

Barry Landis · Approved Exterior Cleaner

jaloisio wrote:
Regular Herculiner or Rhino liners don't hold up much more than 12 months to all the chems. I am actually taking one of my trucks to get a liner in the next two weeks. I had a Herculiner a because it was quick and cheap, but it did not do a great job. I researched a little and the best liner for chemicals is one that is polyurea based. i found a shop about 25 minutes from me who does it. It runs around 800 bucks for a pickup bed, tailgate and bumper.

I might have to make a trip to NJ. That sounds like a great price for up in this area.

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Herculiner worked great for me. The part under my tanks didn't flake at all. $800.00 for a truck is a good price however this van is an extended version van and is 12ft long from cab to the back doors and the bigger are was a higher price. I feel the herculiner worked awesome and well worth $90.00 I like tearing down my system and rebuilding with all new pipes ,hoses,filters and touching up bedliner isn't that big of a deal. I put Berliner in my truck 3 years ago and sprayed for a whole year out of the truck and the same hurculiner held up awesome.

-- Edited by Brian C Jackson on Sunday 29th of December 2013 09:25:47 AM

-- Edited by Brian C Jackson on Sunday 29th of December 2013 09:27:13 AM

Chesapeake · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Proper prep is the key to a longer lasting finish, but nothing will last forever. Especially with the abuse and the corrosive chemicals we use. We switched to a polyaspartic coating on the flatbed because it contains polyurea and holds up much better than a standard paint or epoxy.

-- Edited by Chesapeake on Sunday 29th of December 2013 10:12:31 AM

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Chesapeake wrote:
Proper prep is the key to a longer lasting finish, but nothing will last forever. Especially with the abuse and the corrosive chemicals we use. We switched to a polyaspartic coating on the flatbed because it contains polyurea and holds up much better than a standard paint or epoxy.

Chris your truck is awesome and is nicer in person, as i had a chance in Maryland to see it up close. Yout truck justifies a larger investment because of its value my van does noy justify $1200.00 spray liner. My van was a 2year investment I paid $6k for it and it was a quick fix to get me ouy of my old rig. The herculiner is no were close to as good as a comercial spray in liner, but i wanted to post my results for some of the new guys starting out that have a limited budget. Herculiner did work good for me and I know it will need to be done next year again, but with the snow here in NH i habe the time to break doen my van and rebuild it . It took me 2 days to tear it all out, will take me a week to rebuild it

-- Edited by Brian C Jackson on Sunday 29th of December 2013 10:30:23 AM

Chesapeake · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Thanks Brian! Sorry we didn't meet in Maryland. The day went by so fast. I totally agree with not spending the $1200 on spraying the inside of the van. After all I couldn't justify spending the money to spray my truck bed. The polyspartic coating costs less than $500 in materials. I think the Herculiner will last a couple years with a good prep, or even longer if you can minimize leaks by keeping all bulkheads in the top of the tanks, as you have done. I went with the polyaspartic because I didn't want to tear the truck down as often. The truck was previously coated with epoxy, which didn't last a year. One thing everyone should consider is the $ lost during down time. Is it worth spending the extra money up front or spending it in the time lost. This really depends on the length of your cleaning season, and if you can put your equipment inside during the winter months for recoating and repairs. After all, no one wants to tear their equipment down during the cleaning season.

BTW. The van looks great Brian. Very clean setup.

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Sorry for the delay, after I posted that, I ran out for a few hours to Disney on Ice. The place in NJ is Rhino Liners of Galloway. You need pot ask for the Rhino Extreme. The Rhino Hybid is also polyurea based, but I don't think they stock it. Any Rhino liner place should have these products, and PPG paint company makes one as well, that any paint shop can buy and apply.

Diamond Roof Cleaning · Approved Exterior Cleaner

John was that price for your dodge or ford?

Patrick G · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I used rhino liner three years ago no problems. I put two coats on but the trick is that I placed 3/4 plywood over it. That plywood has absorb more S/H then my roofs. It does hurt the wood but takes a good beating same piece of plywood three years.

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

The dodge...6' bed. I need to get the ford done as well with the 8'bed, not sure what tha will be. I might have John Scola at Jonco in town do it with an off brand one, I'm not sure yet.

Zach Maynard · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I did my Dodge with an Advanced Auto parts product and it was crap! Although I must say that the prep job may have been skimped on a bit...

Zach Maynard · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Brian are you going to be rebuilding it with the same layout?

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Zach Maynard wrote:
Brian are you going to be rebuilding it with the same layout?

Zach im using same kind of layout with a few changes and a few improvements. I was very happy with the van set up but after using it for a few months and getting use to it i noticed a fewchanges i wanted to make. I wanted to wait untill season was over so I could do it right.

Zach Maynard · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I wish I could see it in person so I could tell you where all you're mistakes are! (chuckle chuckle)
I saw your missed call and got back to you but you must have been to busy baking cupcakes or something.

Diamond Roof Cleaning · Approved Exterior Cleaner

John was that price for underneath the bed as well?

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Not sure. I don't think so. It was a phone quoted price when I called.

Diamond Roof Cleaning · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Thanks john.

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Patrick G wrote:
I used rhino liner three years ago no problems. I put two coats on but the trick is that I placed 3/4 plywood over it. That plywood has absorb more S/H then my roofs. It does hurt the wood but takes a good beating same piece of plywood three years.

That's a great idea!

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Well I fixed and prep the rust and did 2 coats of Herculiner hope it is dry this morning. I will start the rebuilding today.

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

I had the Rhino Liner Extreme done today in my Dodge. It is the Polyurea based one that goes on between 1/8" & 1/4" thick. I dropped it off this morning at 8:30 and picked it up just after noon. They did the whole bed and tailgate, top rails & the bumper. It cost just under $650.00 with the NJ sales tax. I attached some pics. They guy John at Rhine Liners in Woodstown, NJ was great and very knowledgeable. Barry, this guy is 20 minutes from the bridge for you.

Zach Maynard · Approved Exterior Cleaner

That came out great John.

-- Edited by Zach Maynard on Wednesday 15th of January 2014 06:13:12 PM

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

That looks great. Nothing like a professional Berliner.

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John

That looks sweet.

Hank

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Thanks guys!! I am getting my Ford done when I get back from AC's Palooza.

Art O · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Look Great John

Barry Landis · Approved Exterior Cleaner

Looks good John.

So this isn't the standard Rhino Liner that they normally offer? Do they mention anything about holding up to SH in the warranty? I found one company (Line X) that mentions it holds up to Chlorine use but that was it. Either way - awesome price.

John Aloisio · Approved Exterior Cleaner

The regular one is polyurethane based, the Exteme is polyurea based, which is the base for lineX and hot spray. Polyurea is very chemical resistant. It cures to a much harder surface and has more durability also. The warranty does not specifically mention SH. It, like other warranties has many clauses that help the manufacturer. In my conversations with the guy at the dealer, I explained our process and he said it should hold up. We cleaned our trucks really good at the end of every day, as most everyone here probably does. Everything is taken out of the bed except our cradle skid, and thoroughly rinsed. I think almost any kind of liner would work, as long as it is maintained. I figure it is just another layer of protection and the price waS reasonable.

Brian C Jackson · Approved Exterior Cleaner

It is always a good idea to rinse out at the end of the day. If I spill any chem during the day and the job site permits it , I rinse out right then and there. If I have to wait until I get home it is OK, my driveway is a big hill so I just park the van on the hill and rinse it out .