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Is that my friend Perry's video, I like it!

These videos came on the heels of Perry's suggesting a class action suit against fiberglass pole manufacturers. I find his behavior from day one to be unethical at best.

I'm curious to the cost. Anyone have an idea?

Hank

That's cool. I'm not a pressure washer.

I'm not a soft washer either. I'm a home exterior cleaning expert.

Diamond roof Cleaning wrote:

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I'm not a soft washer either. I'm a home exterior cleaning expert.

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 With a title like that Mike, who wouldn't want to hire you!

The handles do look interesting. Does anyone know the cost?

The sad thing is he is now using this new product to further attack other pole manufacturers. Saying they have been aware of the repetitive stress injuries their products create.
He needs to wake up. Work is repetitive and stressful period. The lives and injuries saved by wfps can't be ignored or minimized just to sell a new gimmick.
It's sad that he is so scared of the competition that he has to stoop to this type of nonsense.

I agree, Doug. If it works, it works. (that's if it works )

In my opinion we all decide what fruits we pick from what trees.

That's a great idea, the mandatory break when wfp'ing.

Well .. I am glad to have the opportunity to read and respond to Mr Squeegees claims .. he has me blocked in most areas of social media.

We have met face-to-face - I took the time to drive with Jorge Aguilar, to Newton, Iowa from Kansas City, MI,. to meet with Tony,  - when I  saw Tony's work van and we talked for two hours ... I feel I have a measure on this guy. In short, he is a curator, while I might be a creator, by juxtaposition.

So .. where do I start ...

Let's get the quotes all in one place, then I might answer them one by one :

QUOTE : TONY EVANS :

Have to disagree here Dan. The whole MEDIC series is just more propaganda from Perry to convince us that the other pole manufacturers are evil and he alone is out to "save" us.
These videos came on the heels of Perry's suggesting a class action suit against fiberglass pole manufacturers. I find his behavior from day one to be unethical at best.
The sad thing is he is now using this new product to further attack other pole manufacturers. Saying they have been aware of the repetitive stress injuries their products create.
He needs to wake up. Work is repetitive and stressful period. The lives and injuries saved by wfps can't be ignored or minimized just to sell a new gimmick.
It's sad that he is so scared of the competition that he has to stoop to this type of nonsense.
Dan, I understand you feel I'm being unreasonable here, but when I see the same guy try to take advantage of the industry time and again I feel the need to weak up.
I will give one example here showing why this comes across as a gimmick - here we have a guy attacking other Poe manufacturers on the basis of stress injuries. The irony is that he has, if not the heaviest pole pin the market, one of the top 3. We all know that the heavier the pole the more likely a stress relate injury can occur. Yet this guy wants us to believe he really cares about that.
Sorry but I see the same gimmicks he's always used. It's detrimental for industry professionals to support this type of manufacturer. I can't stress enough that anyone having dealings with Perry should be very careful. You're much better off to use and support quality vendors from the UAMCC.



Let's start on the CLASS ACTION - I am not calling for a class action, I am saying that I believe there may be a potential for a class action and ... in fact, I totally believe it.

I have prepared a White Paper with Dr. Douglas J. Mills, M.D. and submitted to IWCA and the I-14 Window Cleaning Safety Committee - it reads :

Dear Committee Members,

We propose changes to paragraph 5.1.2 as currently reads :

5.1.2 Employees shall be trained in the use and care of extension poles and water fed poles before they shall be permitted to use such equipment.

Training shall include but not be limited to proper inspection, assembly, erection and a full understanding of safe working conditions considering as a minimum, exposure to electrical sources and wind.

The training will be validated and a copy kept on file by the window cleaning contractor and be readily available to the building manager upon request.


Our suggested proposed wording for the change is as follows :

5.1.2 Employees shall be trained in the proper selection, use and care of extension poles and water fed poles before they shall be permitted to use such equipment.

Training shall include but not be limited to the proper selection, inspection, assembly and erection, and ergonomic use of any extension pole. Training should provide a full understanding of safe working conditions considering as a minimum, the risk for repetitive motion injury, the risk of being in the proximity of electrical sources and the dangerous effect of wind on an extended pole.

The training will be validated and a copy kept on file by the window cleaning contractor and be readily available to the building manager upon request.

Our rationale is attached in the form of a White Paper submission titled ‘A WATER FED POLE SUITABILITY GUIDE’ prepared by Dr. Douglas J. Mills, M.D. and Perry Tait.


So .. come February 7th, we will release the White Paper to the public and wait for Tony's in depth study and criticism. The white paper proves that floppy poles are potentially more injurious in direct relation to their floppiness. It is WRONG to sell a floppy pole as a professional tool, no matter who it upsets to say so . If it were true that tool manufacturers make floppy poles, retailers sell floppy poles and workers have a higher potential to get injured from using floppy poles, who are the winners and losers in this equation? My claim is not that other manufacturers do not make quality products - they do - it is just that they allow the wrong product to be sold - for the wrong workloads, and we are talking a 30 YEAR OLD industry. Tucker Poles is 30 years old, Ionics 15-20 years old, Gardiner 10-15 years, I guess, and futureofcleaning.com - we are tackling the 'taboo' topic of INJURY - in our 4th year from scratch.

The industry has the resources to expose and solve the challenges that are forced upon a worker when using a bimanual, linear overhead tool - and it's the 'little guys' who are actually doing it.

-- Edited by Perry Tait on Friday 30th of January 2015 06:59:15 AM

-- Edited by Perry Tait on Friday 30th of January 2015 07:02:35 AM

"The lives and injuries saved by WFP's can't be ignored or minimised just to sell a new gimmick"

This really exposes how simplistic and poorly researched, this commentator is :

Firstly, we are not selling POWER and CONTROL Ergonomic Alignment Handles, a fact that another reader was able to find, just by going to the website - see www.power-and-control.com/how-to-buy.html In short, we are supplying them free to each Reach-iT Pole customer - that is probably our capacity as we are wanting to get the feedback ( Tony Evans has sung from the mountaintops how he is the BETA Tester,, and my customers shouldn't be) - before we make molds and lock down the design.
Each set of POWER and CONTROL is made by hand - first generation models have over 70 parts - and we are supplying them with a 'WORK CYCLE COUNTER' so we can gather more quantitative information to submit to OSHA.

There are two types of injury that are relevant -

Catastrophic and Repetitive Motion injuries. Ladders are a potential source of both, and WFP's have indeed significantly reduced the incidence of catastrophic falls from heights, with serious morbidity and mortality.

Water Fed Poles, however, are still an awkward tool to use and, as we are using millions of work cycles in a lifetime, this awkwardness is a big risk factor, exacerbated by floppiness of the pole, and, of course, significant changes in the weight of the pole.

These handles, and the MEDIC video education program you can find on power-and-control.com is only possible with the time of Dr.Douglas J. Mills, M.D. - a currently licensed physician in the state of Texas. He was 25 years an ER Doctor and 5 years the Medical Director for one of the largest Occupational Health Clinics in USA. This is not a gimmick. Dr Mills is, himself an inventor of other ergonomic tools. Representative of our mutual contribution, we have applied for a patent for POWER and CONTROL Handles together.

I'll address your last rant Perry - I'm not paid by anyone. I don't make a dime off any pole sales. So this is just one more example of you lying.
The Gardiner Xtreme is lighter than your pole and the stiffest pole on the market so there goes that argument. As for demonizing you it's really just making new or inexperienced cleaners aware of the danger of buying into your brand of truth.

Please trust me when I say not many people really give a flying crap about the intricacies of water fed poles, other than window cleaners. Please find a different forum where to have these rants & attacks. I for one don't want the public coming here, reading this and thinking "what a bunch of MORONS!" Go find a private forum in which to fight it out.

We all look unprofessional when this is on our forum.

-- Edited by SprayWash on Friday 30th of January 2015 10:05:27 AM

My apologies to the group.