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Some before pictures of a cleaning job we did. Spent to much time cleaning this house and decks, couldn't just spray on and rinse off had to power wash everything. House has been sitting for about 5 to 6 years with nobody living there. Hit the siding with 3% SH with some gain in it. I think i should of went with a different mix.

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I think you may have bad bleach. I've had that problem a time or two lately. You should have been smoking that algae off the house with a 3% (assuming you mean 30%) and Gain works pretty well, actually. I use a 1% mix on vinyl. I literally just get it wet and let it dwell then rinse. The algae dies almost instantly.

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Mike,

We see this type of conditions very often around here. A 3% mix should have done it. Worst case... a reapplication should have done it for you. Perhaps you could share how you mix your chemicals and how you applied your mix(dedicated pump, downstream or x-jet.) Was your SH hot when you got it? What was your dwell time? The more info you share the better so we might help you.

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Are you using Clorox?

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Are you using Clorox?


 LOL....but a great question!

3% should rip the algae off and is way too aggressive for vinyl siding. Art's question makes me wonder.....Did you use Clorox and if so did you dilute it at all?
When you say 3$ do you mean you started with a higher concentration then diluted down to 3% or is 3% what the bottle said?

Gain is an awesome surfactant. Sticks well and rinses off windows even if dried on.



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What the bottle Says percentage wise does not mean what it really is as SH degrades due to time and heat, UV etc.
5% on label may be 1% by the time used.
You can find charts all over the Internet related to degregation but here's a interesting read

www.troublefreepool.com/threads/60837-Breakdown-of-bleach-over-time-by-storage-temperature

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I do have some Superchlor it's 12.5% to 15% but i didn't use it. I was in a hurry and i picked up some concentrated bleach from Lowes and cut it in half.

I see it didn't work like i though.

 



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Bleach Decompose Chart



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I had some bleach that was so weak it wouldn't clean a roof last week. I had to cancel a job on Monday due to a truck accident and left the bleach on my truck for two 94 degree days. On Wednesday I had 25 gallons of useless bleach. I just kept adjusting it until it worked...had to spray it almost 100% but it cleaned. Sometimes you just have to get creative and use what you have. I wish you had a do-over on that one...I bet you'd get it right.

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@ days should not have degraded your bleach Bryan, if its in a sealed container. Even if you were referring to your mix tank 2 days is pretty fast. If you were refering to your mix tank than I would question the surfactant.



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@ days should not have degraded your bleach Bryan, if its in a sealed container. Even if you were referring to your mix tank 2 days is pretty fast. If you were refering to your mix tank than I would question the surfactant.


 No it was in a holding tank (like a water tank) on my truck. Just bleach...nothing mixed.  All that said, I'm questioning that a valve on my proportioner is screwy so I'm gonna have to check that out.  It may be that the valve wasn't giving me enough bleach. Need to talk to someone with a proportioner to figure it out.



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Bryan when your truck is sitting for a day or 2. Throw a blanket or something over the tank to block the sun

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Byron, 2 days out in heat can affect SH very much, the higher the % the faster it degrades.
When first produced it is roughly 15+% but quickly degrades in days to 12-10%, it's instability is why it's kept in white containers.

I think Ted Saunders painted his tanks in reflective silver paint. I suggested looking into white ceramic paint that's expensive but drops the IR (infared ) aka heat level.



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Katy in Texas painted his Tanks a chrome or silver color to protect his bleach.



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That's what I was thinking, thanks Mr Pink.

Btw,if you paint a tank, leave a level line visible for DOT 119 GAL. Regulations. 



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That's what I was thinking, thanks Mr Pink.

Btw,if you paint a tank, leave a level line visible for DOT 119 GAL. Regulations. 



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 119 gallons is over the legal limit....sorry to say.

I know some of the teachings say 119 but that is the legal "gallon" quantity and not the legal "weight" quantity which I believe is under 1000#. A 53 gallon container weighs somewhere around 540# (if I remember correctly).



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Thanks Doug, I think most of us understood it was 119 gallons, if you got a link to the correct statute please post, should be a sticky!

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It could be 119 gallons OR under 1000 LB. Whichever comes first.

I'm only allowed to haul (1) 53 drum of Hypo,..not due to gallons,.but due to weight. 

* And,..if I understand correctly,..As soon as you add  50 gallons hypo to your 200 gallon tank and fill the rest with water,..you are now over the legal limit. Because you now made a larger volume of what's considered a hazardous material.  Even though there is only 50 gallons of SH in your tank of water. You just made a weaker mix is all,..but added enough volume to go over the limit. 

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I carry 50 straight on the truck when I'm running full, plus water and some Chems

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I've always wondered what the percentage level has to be to be considered hazardous. Because you can fill a tank with city water and have a mix of bleach and water,..but that isn't regulated. So what is the percentage that makes 200 gallons of SH a HAZMAT issue?

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It could be 119 gallons OR under 1000 LB. Whichever comes first.

I'm only allowed to haul (1) 53 drum of Hypo,..not due to gallons,.but due to weight. 

 


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Yipeee! I have Hazmat!

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Jeff Wible wrote:

It could be 119 gallons OR under 1000 LB. Whichever comes first.

I'm only allowed to haul (1) 53 drum of Hypo,..not due to gallons,.but due to weight. 

* And,..if I understand correctly,..As soon as you add  50 gallons hypo to your 200 gallon tank and fill the rest with water,..you are now over the legal limit. Because you now made a larger volume of what's considered a hazardous material.  Even though there is only 50 gallons of SH in your tank of water. You just made a weaker mix is all,..but added enough volume to go over the limit. 

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Jeff, you are correct! When I first started I called and asked what if. The what if is if you add 1 gallon to 100 gals of water you are over. Percentage means nothing to the idiots who make these rules.



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I am not throwing this in to stir the pot but we use a Pro Portioner so now we do not need to carry any previously mixed solution on the trucks.

the only chemical on the truck now is the raw SH so we just empty the water tank when we leave a job and no more over the limit issues created by carrying mixes.

I was always concerned about the "interpretation" that now has been defined by this thread. Strength does not matter just how many gallons or weight on the truck.

You guys make a really strong logical point about percentages but that will never do in the paper world of regulations.

Just good to revisit this subject at times and check our procedures.

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I just went back up and realized my posting was off track on this topic.

I used Agent Blue that I get from Powerwashstore the other day on a really badly oxidised brown vinyl siding that was 15 plus year old. It immediately removed the oxidation and restored the color back to looking like new. Really surprised us!

 

The other product we use that is very good but can be pricy so you have to charge for it is

Vinyl Renu.  they make a oxidation cleaner that works great and is a prep step for applying the Renu Sealer

www.vinylrenu.com



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Steve Salley wrote:

I am not throwing this in to stir the pot but we use a Pro Portioner so now we do not need to carry any previously mixed solution on the trucks.

the only chemical on the truck now is the raw SH so we just empty the water tank when we leave a job and no more over the limit issues created by carrying mixes.

I was always concerned about the "interpretation" that now has been defined by this thread. Strength does not matter just how many gallons or weight on the truck.

You guys make a really strong logical point about percentages but that will never do in the paper world of regulations.

Just good to revisit this subject at times and check our procedures.


 Why do you empty the water tank? Seems you could carry as much water as you wanted as long as your bleach was in a separate tank.  I understand if they are mixed but don't understand why a clean water tank would count against you.  I usually have 30 gallons of bleach and 43 gallons of water in separate tanks. 



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Bryan

I would appreciate the guys to weigh in on this comment.

I thought the potential included the SH and the water so if I carry 100 gallons SH and water, too much for the law...



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Bryan

I would appreciate the guys to weigh in on this comment.

I thought the potential included the SH and the water so if I carry 100 gallons SH and water, too much for the law...


Yeah, cause I never do that. I get to the job with a full water tank and hook up to the house water to keep my buffer tank filled. I leave with it full so I've only used the water I needed there. 



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The best way to deal with this is to label the tanks. "Non-Potable Water" - "Corrosive" or "Sodium Hypochclorite". They can't challenge you without proof.....like dipping the tank and testing.

I mean anyone can label anything as anything but they are not going to start spouting off that your water is bleach without cause.....usually....

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The best way to deal with this is to label the tanks. "Non-Potable Water" - "Corrosive" or "Sodium Hypochclorite". They can't challenge you without proof.....like dipping the tank and testing.

I mean anyone can label anything as anything but they are not going to start spouting off that your water is bleach without cause.....usually....


 I labeled my H2O tank "Water" and my SH tank "Lemonade".  Bad idea?



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